That is how the system works. I want to cringe. The English translation was not translated from the Codex, but evidently copy-pasted from some English version of the Bible and mapped onto the verse numbers in the CS. Every true child of GOD knows it and cannot live without it. For example the Magna Carta (c.1200 AD) is so frail and desiccated that it is enclosed in a sealed environment, to prevent total disintegration. does not allow what lies under the unclean spirits to understand BTW, the Pericope de Adultera (John 8:1 ff) was preserved in the Western canon for a thousand years before it was introduced to the Greek and Syriac canons. This is a famous variant in the mss, but Codex Sinaiticus attests compassion, not anger. But I can tell you this; I use the King James Bible because 99% of all the manuscript evidence supports the Textus Receptus that underlies it. The question is not : How many manuscripts predate the Guttenberg Bible? And then when I read a modern version of the Bible (derived from the Westcott and Hort revisions) I never experience this power or anything like it at all??? Thanks hope i will learn alot in this websiteBut i want to ask who translated The Amplified bible version? My mistake 2 Cor 13:14 is in the CS. Thanks to the comment by Frank, now I am seeing where the Oneness BS concept is being derived from. Photo: Courtesy of St. Catherines Monastery. All religions are based on truth claims. One needs to study the various Codices and again ask why have certain critical aspects like (1) Jesus Christ being part of the Godhead, or (2) that we are saved only through Jesus Christ and his blood atoning sacrifice for our sins, have been changed or completely left out? This was the greatest moment in thier lives for all there and they would have been really focused on what the ciach had to say,. Who has gone up to Heaven, and come down? He discovered the first part in 1844 and the second part in 1859. The entire journey is based on spirituality, faith and love in God. Perhaps one that shows there is far more unity and consistency in early Christian theology than disunity and change, as this article suggests? The argument made is that because they are believed to be physically the oldest, they must represent the fewest changes from the originals. A court is not the appropriate place to prove or disprove the authenticity of old manuscripts. Nowhere does the OT say; He was with God in the beginning. One such scholar is Jason David BeDuhn, associate professor of religious studies at Northern Arizona University in the United States. I will want a copy of the oldest new testament it is written how Jesus says it should be. For obvious reasons, the Textus Receptus is also referred to as the "Majority Text" since the majority (95% or more) of existing manuscripts support this reading. Hundreds of english Bible versions, and most of them are ONLY making small changes ..INSIGNIFICANT changes which over time become gradually accepted. Biblical Archaeology Review is the guide on that fascinating journey. But they as a group had heard Jesus Himself. When the film was made the producers had to create the speach as no one remembered what brooks had said. Codex Sinaiticus was made in the 4th century on parchment using capital letters (a manuscript in all capitals is called an "uncial"). It appears in the Greek Codex Alexandrinus of the fifth century, the Latin Vulgate, and elsewhere. The textus receptus is based of all older manuscripts that are fairly consistent. FREE ebook: The Holy Bible: A Buyer's Guide 42 different Bible versions, addressing content, text, style and religious orientation. the Majority Texts (Textus Receptus), and . https://www.gotquestions.org/Textus-Receptus.html, Good Morning Oscar heres some interesting reading that may assist with your query: In the Beginning: The Story of the King James Bible and How it Changed a Nation, a Language, and a Culture by Alister McGrath I am mainly interested in all the verses that were not in the oldest manuscripts. The main texts, Sinaiticus and Vaticanus, contradict each other over 3,000 times in the gospels alone, and they disagree with the ' Majority Text' in 13,000 places. A footnote on #46 above: Besides the New World Translation, the others were The Amplified New Testament, The Living Bible, The New American Bible With Revised New Testament, New American Standard Bible, The Holy BibleNew International Version, The New Revised Standard Version, The Bible in Todays English Version, and King James Version. Consider another example. Dating to the mid-fourth century C.E., Codex Sinaiticus is the oldest complete manuscript of the New Testament. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102007409#h=22:2-23:524https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102007409#h=22:2-23:524. re 17. As for the differences between the two rogue manuscripts, they are seldom mentioned by their main supporters because they really destroy the underlying support for authenticity. I believe youll find that no one every spoke like Jesus, because Jesus was more than a man. Scripture testifies to that truth time and again. I recommend The forging of Codex Siniaticus by Bill Cooper. Who knew the reliability of their manuscrips than the monks at St Caherines? personnaly have seen evangelists using NIV Codex Sinaiticus based bibles and in front of my eyes not but 3 different times this verse fulfilled. But the very reason why the Jewish religious left (or right) charged Jesus with blaasphemy and wanted Hm dead was because thy understood perfectly that Jesus was stating that He was equal with God the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, etc. Textes Receptus has over 5000 manuscripts in numerous languages which all agree with each other in terms of content and detail. They are both written on parchment, and have a large number of corrections written over the original text. As Jeff said, you guys are confused about Mark 1:41. When I have tried this really no one had remembered what had been said. This article lists the different verses where the codexes conflict with the King James Bible (KJV). And no less so today. In Mt 6:12, Codex Sinaiticus reads forgive us our *debts* (not sins). gr. Textus Receptus is Latin for "Received Text." It was used as the textual base for the vernacular translations that arose during the Reformation period. Biblical quotations corrected on September 18, 2022. These two facts should be enough to get your mind thinking whether you have made a right judgement in your comment proving anything Godly about Christianity is bogus Westcott and Hort corrected the King James Bible (1881 NT and 1884 AT) and replaced the Textus Receptus as a basis through the Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus. Give us this day our daily bread. Have you read John Burgons The Last Twelve Verses of Mark? He concluded that Siniaticus and Vaticanus were copied from a lectionary onto superb vellum in a rich scriptorium. When someone spoke the passage ended when the speaker finished. No one was copying the thought in ant way, it now was a part of each hearers memory and as such will be changed a bit by each hearer. The old proverbial Trojan Horse trick worked very well back in the old days. Robert, i too recently read the kj for the first time starting in may. Just like the serpent was doing the devils dirty work in the Garden of Eden where God walked and talked with our first parents, (and conquered for a time), so too the devil has had his agents working to subvert and pervert Scripturelittle by little, line by line, here a little there a little over many centuries. The Sinaitic Syriac is considered one of the most important Biblical manuscripts discovered, right along with such Greek manuscripts as the Codex Sinaiticus and the Codex Vaticanus. Finally, I have one suggestion, as I close. Textus Receptus Bible chapters shown in parallel with your selection of Bibles. I am just saying. If I have 999, 999 dollar coins, one may conclude that I am a millionaire, even I might. Keep studying, kids! Mark 16:6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him. To answer your questions in order, 1) The source of the text underlying most English translations today would be some combination of Greek texts as produced from primarily the Codex Sinaiticus and the Codex Vaticanus Manuscripts by Nestle/Aland or United Bible Societies. But just to make sure, here's a comparison of both texts to the contents of Revelation 22:10-21 as printed in the Tyndale House edition of the Greek New Testament: This article doesnt reflect that at all. Nevertheless, for many readers and contributors to this forum, there are things in that entry which they might not agree with; others might not bat an eye. The person who wrote this is obviously undereducated read Mark 16:6!!! The King James and Tischendorf? Did the editor who has written the last book of Mark,wrote any other passages after Mark. It must be stated that most modern versions/translations still have statements in their pages that will support the divinity of Jesus Christ and His work on earth and on the cross, and all or most of His message etc. I mostly appreciate the articles but always find the comments helpful and sometimes entertaining. (..) 27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth (..) 30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; 31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men. Did God speak directly to King James I and the various groups of translators assembled by him to produce the KJV for the English-speaking world??? How does it compare to the MSS? (This calculation is made, remember, using the NA27 . I bless you in the Name of the Father, the SON and the HOLY Spirit. The story of John 7 is missing in the Codex S. But in other manuscripts it appears. They did not rely on it because they knew it was not reliable. There can be only one truth among multiple truth claims. A salvaged page of the Codex Sinaiticus from St. Catherines Monastery recovered in 1975. WHAT IS HIS SONS NAME? Ever think possibly he had more than ONE resource ??? Recently found my way back to God, after researching for many, many years other types of religions/beleifs. Any organization that uses the KJV as a baseline English translation for textual criticism can safely be dismissed by anyone looking to take this topic seriously. -Thus proving anything Godly about Christianity is bogus.. These discarded old manuscripts that were full of scribal errors and as result were never circulated by the church. Set it in stone rag. Thanks. See the works of Dr.Ivan Panin on internet concerning this and other issues.. BAS seems to use the Codex when it suits the notion that Yeshua was not the Son of God. They are significant. The First English bible translated from Greek (not Latin) manuscripts was the Tyndale Bible (1525). One night some sheepherders were sitting around the campfire.. just cant hold a candle to And there were shepherds abiding in the fields, keeping watch over their flocks by night.. Revelation and discernment of all things spiritual are given to those who seek with all of their heart, mind and soul. However, in 1881 scholars Westcott and Hort published a new Greek New Testament text that included the findings of Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus. The world of the Bible is knowable. Washingtonicus and one of its principle claims to fame is its particular addition to the last chapter. My question about, neither the son is there Its as if phrases were added with reckless abandon. Codex Sinaiticus is one of the most important books in the world. However, the two authoritative fourth-century Greek manuscriptsCodex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanusboth end with Mark 16:8. I didnt want to put it with other translations on my bookshelves lest someone read it unawares and was led astray, but I did not feel comfortable destroying it so I hid it. Corrupt Path - The ' Minority Text' consists of only 5% of existing manuscripts . That reading is also found in a few Old Latin mss of the Gospels. Amen ! It is one of the four great uncial codices. The Codex Sinaiticus (Shelfmark: London, . Manuscripts such as the famous Codex Sinaiticus (01) and Codex Vaticanus (03, also known as B) of the fourth century C.E. Be Blessed, Chuck. Hope this is helpful to prevent some misunderstandings. It was not something that they had to work out..DID HE or DIDNT HE? I followed mostly Buddhism and Hinduism among other philosophies, because I found them to be helpful and peaceful. He had claimed to be God equal with God, and they had tried on a number of occasions to stone HIm, just as Moses had said they should for a charge of blasphemyas long as two or three witnesses could testify. Theres accountability to the record. It was found in the Cairo environs with evidence of origin in the 4th or 5th century, right around the time of Athanasius but l wont jump to any conclusions. This is just not possible, for there is no mention of the catastrophe in Rome when these apostles and most of the other Christians were cruelly massacred late in Neros reign. i have an 1560 geneva bible and 1611 an an 1678 an 1769.. 1829..1841 and also use other revived text bibles. Corrupt Path - The ' Minority Text' consists of only 5% of existing manuscripts. Before Mark and Matthew and Luke, there was supposedly Q, M, L all those other documents? But rather how many manuscripts that predate Codex Sinaiticus contain the missing language if any? So it got past Mark 16:9, but I do not know for certain if it reached 16:20. Until you have a personal experience of being filled with the Holy Spirit, you cannot see the truth. Library Visit the library for more information on the Textus Receptus. Read Edward F. Hills Believing Bible Study. So our second question is really: why were these two unorthodox* manuscripts unused? The only Greek manuscript with that reading is the bilingual Codex Bezae (D/05) from the V century. It has commonly been argued, for at least 200 years (John Bengel, d. 1752, was the first), that no matter what Greek text one may use it will not affect any doctrine. "Textus Receptus Only"/"Received Text Only" - This group holds the position that the traditional Greek texts represented in the Textus Receptus were supernaturally (or providentially) preserved and that other Greek manuscripts not used in this compilation may be flawed. No other ancient writing comes close to having this much evidence for its accuracy. Westcott and Hort highly valued the Romish texts -Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, as well as the doctrines of Rome above Protestant doctrine though they were publicly involved in the Protestant church. See Dr Bill Cooper PhD, ThD, The Forging of the Codex Sinaiticus and New Testament Fragments. However, it is not . Below, see a visual comparison of these and other differences between the King James Version and Codex Sinaiticus. Such a production line was slow and laborious and costly. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. I am still looking into this. If somebody knows the existence of side-by-side comparisons Id like to know about them. To believers (in whatever version they *like* ?) That is in the Sinaiticus, but not in any manuscripts prior to the Council of Nicea. James A. Sanders, founder and president emeritus of the Ancient Biblical . So I suppose by repeating only one of Boltons amateurish mistakes, BAR is making progress. In doctrines? The codex is an Alexandrian text-type manuscript in uncial letters on parchment. That is the nature of deception. The Textus Receptus is the text which the King James translators used. And presto, what do we have today? Textus Receptus (Latin: "received text") refers to all printed editions of the Greek New Testament from Erasmus's Novum Instrumentum omne (1516) to the 1633 Elzevir edition. You cant get any plalner than that. Did James Tabor help write it? his words will never pass away ! Please respond if youre interested. things contrary to their beliefs, just might be a gloss or the real thing. Want to check this next time you are with friends, turn on a tape recorder, not tell others you have done so. That is the question you must ask and answer for yourself honestly and carefully. However, Sinaiticus itself is not relevant, since the evidence is very strong that it was produced in the 1800s, which is why it is in such incredible flexible, supple condition, and the Leipzig pages are white parchment, contra the chemistry of parchment aging.. Codex Sinaiticus Authenticity Research Ask yourself this. Would appreciate knowing what is considered to be the oldest versions of the OT and NT. Take a look at these two English translations. But for the Roman and Orthodox churches there would be no Latin or Greek scripture (on which all translations depend). The Codex Vaticanus ( The Vatican, Bibl. The Sinaitic Syriac does not have this long conclusion either, adding further evidence that the long conclusion is a later addition and was not originally part of Marks Gospel. The consequences of all this are serious and are far reachiing for the future of the Church.. We know the Catholics hated the Bible then and even today. A million is a million, not one less than a million. Let me point out that the oldest Bible on display in the United States is the Codex The Codex Sinaiticus is allegedly 800 year older that that, and has had no special preservative treatment or conditions in all that time, yet the parchment condition is fresh, supple and un-oxidised. there is evidence of textual tampering, attempts at artificially aging the manuscript, and alleged bookworm tracks that start in the middle of the page. Some modern versions of the New Testament, based primarily on the Alexandrian Text, have drawn many readings into question even though the readings are affirmed in ancient patristic compositions and are supported by the overwhelming majority of manuscripts. The Apocripha/Deuterocanonicals is present in Sinaiticus. But it seems quite okay and acceptable if we put our own spin on Gods word. Mystery Babylon that the apostle John writes of in the Unveiling of Christ (Revelation). After 10 minutes of conversation see who remembers exactly what was said 8 minutes ago. Who is the envisioned recipient of this article? A translator that believes can be biased by his believes. Sinaiticus contains the Epistle of Barnabas and a part of the Shepherd of Hermas, which don't belong to New Testament's texts. Taken as a whole the dates and breath of manuscripts give a clear reliable picture of the gospel that Christians hold to. The KJV is familiar to most of us so naturally we prefer the familiar, but to place it on par with the original Greek manuscripts of the bible seems sacrilegious. Several corrections are needed to this post. So why do these proponents never complained that these are not included in evangelical churches bible? Little doubts often repeated become entrenched in the mind and eventually produce either a serious warning, or a platform for lies. In the Gospel of Mark alone, Vaticanus disagrees with Sinaiticus 652 times and with Codex D 1,944 times. William posts As Rodney King said, Cant we all just get along? Actually at least to me it does seem to be more important to be able to get along than to be right, however right is defined. That is called relativism, a scourge which has infected our culture. Have a look at Proverbs 30:4 One of Jesus disciples had been such a zealot. Kevin, thanks for this insight, Constantine Tischendorfs chance finding of Codex Sinaiticus, the oldest New Testament manuscript, at St. Catherines Monastery in the Sinaiand his later removal of the manuscriptmade him both famous and infamous.